At @Vivaldi , we make browsers. Powerful browsers, with more functionality than others, but still browsers.
What we are not is:
1. An OS company.
2. A search company.
3. An ad company.
4. An AI company.
None of our major competitors can really say the same. We focus on doing one thing really well.
If you like that, give us a try! If you are already with us, please share with your friends!
Jon S. von Tetzchner hat dies geteilt.
My Actual Brain
Als Antwort auf Jon S. von Tetzchner • • •ktanner
Als Antwort auf Jon S. von Tetzchner • • •Fedor Indutny
Als Antwort auf Jon S. von Tetzchner • • •Jon S. von Tetzchner
Als Antwort auf Fedor Indutny • • •We have no external funding. Every employee owns shares in the company.
Fedor Indutny
Als Antwort auf Jon S. von Tetzchner • • •that's so awesome, thank you for sharing!
Having no external funding is great, but you still have to make profit in order to support the development of the browser. It looks like there are no paid features at the moment, and the last article on business model was: vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-busin… . Are you still funded by Partner deals?
What’s Vivaldi’s business model? | Vivaldi Browser
Christian Dysthe (Vivaldi Technologies)Jon S. von Tetzchner
Als Antwort auf Fedor Indutny • • •Yes, we are still funded in the same way as before. We have also opened up for people to donate.
Edelruth In The Wrong Timeline
Als Antwort auf Jon S. von Tetzchner • • •This is how I believe all companies should be set up.
Well done you guys.
Jon S. von Tetzchner
Unbekannter Ursprungsbeitrag • • •We made the choice to use Chromium. Changing that is not trivial and would be quite risky.
Hobson Lane
Als Antwort auf Jon S. von Tetzchner • • •@Vivaldi
Jon S. von Tetzchner
Als Antwort auf Hobson Lane • • •Indeed.
KB Sez
Als Antwort auf Jon S. von Tetzchner • • •Megan Marie Hart
Als Antwort auf Jon S. von Tetzchner • • •Adlangx
Als Antwort auf Jon S. von Tetzchner • • •LanguageMan1
Als Antwort auf Jon S. von Tetzchner • • •Johns
Als Antwort auf Jon S. von Tetzchner • • •Boab
Als Antwort auf Jon S. von Tetzchner • • •Jon S. von Tetzchner
Als Antwort auf Boab • • •@boab
Thanks. It is all described here:
vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-busin…
What’s Vivaldi’s business model? | Vivaldi Browser
Christian Dysthe (Vivaldi Technologies)Boab
Als Antwort auf Jon S. von Tetzchner • • •Harald
Als Antwort auf Jon S. von Tetzchner • • •One thing that would make me switch immediately would be, if tab closing meant: delete everything, localstorage, cookies, indexdDB. Except for sites explicitly configured not to do this.
Duckduckgo has the fire button, but this decouples closing from deleting the data in a stupid way.
Firefox has delete on exit, which is OK on the desktop, but who closes an app, ever, actively?
Firefox is severely restricted on Apple stuff by their policies. Same for Vivaldi?
Karl Voit
Als Antwort auf Jon S. von Tetzchner • • •Oh,I respect that big time.
However, you're using the #Google #webbrowser engine which we all should not use any more to avoid a really really bad #monopoly. 😞
I'll stick with #LibreWolf for the moment.
#Vivaldi #Chrome #Chromium #Firefox
Sven 🛌
Als Antwort auf Jon S. von Tetzchner • • •Honest question: Given that you use Chromium, doesn't this make you completely downstream-dependent of Google?
I feel like "not being an ad company" is nice, but depending that much on an ad company isn't much better either.
@rom
rainynight65
Als Antwort auf Jon S. von Tetzchner • • •I'll be honest, the fact that Vivaldi is based on Chromium is a major point against it for me. I used to use Vivaldi a few years ago but went back to Firefox at some point. Now Firefox has some features that Chromium browsers don't have (and I'm not sure if they ever will), that I use every day and wouldn't want to miss.
I am however wary of Mozilla's increased entanglement with the ad industry. Most Firefox forks are not optimal.
Does Vivaldi still support Ublock Origin?
Alan
Als Antwort auf Jon S. von Tetzchner • • •fab:log
Als Antwort auf Jon S. von Tetzchner • • •CubeThoughts
Als Antwort auf Jon S. von Tetzchner • • •I use Firefox because I worry about browser engine monoculture, especially controlled by Google.
Every major endeavor requires resources. I'm not sure I approve with what Mozilla is doing but I understand they need to find a revenue source. What is the revenue source of Vivaldi, current and future?
Jon S. von Tetzchner
Als Antwort auf CubeThoughts • • •@CubeThoughts
You can read all about it here:
vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-busin…
What’s Vivaldi’s business model? | Vivaldi Browser
Christian Dysthe (Vivaldi Technologies)It's a me, Mauro
Als Antwort auf Jon S. von Tetzchner • • •Alex Fürstenau
Als Antwort auf Jon S. von Tetzchner • • •Jon S. von Tetzchner
Als Antwort auf Alex Fürstenau • • •@afuerstenau @PeterSommerlad
You can read all about it here:
vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-busin…
What’s Vivaldi’s business model? | Vivaldi Browser
Christian Dysthe (Vivaldi Technologies)Alex Fürstenau
Als Antwort auf Jon S. von Tetzchner • • •exitcode
Als Antwort auf Jon S. von Tetzchner • • •tux0r
Als Antwort auf Jon S. von Tetzchner • • •Jon S. von Tetzchner
Als Antwort auf tux0r • • •I guess we have not had so much requests for it. We try to make Vivaldi available everywhere we can, but for us to add a platform is a major undertaking.
tux0r
Als Antwort auf Jon S. von Tetzchner • • •dummzeuch
Als Antwort auf Jon S. von Tetzchner • • •I was really disappointed when they dropped their own engine. The next thing I read about you was that you started your own browser: Vivaldi but unfortunately also based on chrome.
Jon S. von Tetzchner
Als Antwort auf dummzeuch • • •If you have not tried Vivaldi fully yet, please have a look. M3 is a very good mail client, I would say. We got a feed reader and calendar as well.
dummzeuch
Als Antwort auf Jon S. von Tetzchner • • •Shrirang Kahale
Als Antwort auf Jon S. von Tetzchner • • •Not defending them btw, just saying.
Jon S. von Tetzchner
Als Antwort auf Shrirang Kahale • • •So you are saying that our team of 57 just makes a wrapper? Have you tried Vivaldi at all?
Shrirang Kahale
Als Antwort auf Jon S. von Tetzchner • • •Jon S. von Tetzchner
Als Antwort auf Shrirang Kahale • • •@albonycal
True. I have done so in the past as well. But the effort the team puts in is pretty massive.
Did you spend enough time with it to try all the features? We have a built in mail client, calendar and feed reader and we provide more flexibility and functionality than any other browser out there.
Shrirang Kahale
Als Antwort auf Jon S. von Tetzchner • • •Jon S. von Tetzchner
Unbekannter Ursprungsbeitrag • • •Why should we "jump on the AI train"? Our users are not asking for it and we do not want to either.
Spinner
Als Antwort auf Jon S. von Tetzchner • • •Jon S. von Tetzchner
Unbekannter Ursprungsbeitrag • • •I nudged on the 2nd bug, but the first one I have not seen. If you can provide a bug with a description, that would be great!
Jon S. von Tetzchner
Unbekannter Ursprungsbeitrag • • •We have always made our own decisions as to what technology to include, typically based on user requests. Our users are not asking for AI.
Cwiiis
Als Antwort auf Jon S. von Tetzchner • • •This is a bit disingenuous, surely? Vivaldi make browser UIs - a browser is a lot more than its UI and Vivaldi relies on Google's Chromium.
If people are truly worried about where browsers are heading, investment in Servo is probably the most useful thing they can do right now. Even investment in WebKit would be a wiser choice to avoid a future monopoly, imho.
Use Vivaldi because you like it, not because you want to stick it to Microsoft/Apple/Google/Mozilla/etc.
Alvaro Medina García
Als Antwort auf Jon S. von Tetzchner • • •Jared Zimmerman ✨
Als Antwort auf Jon S. von Tetzchner • • •Jon S. von Tetzchner
Als Antwort auf Jared Zimmerman ✨ • • •@jaredzimmerman
Vivaldi has a lot of features you do not find in any browser. You mention some of them. We do have an email client, feed reader and calendar. We also have very powerful tab handling, mouse gestures, keyboard shortcuts and quick commands. We even have web panels. So we are very feature rich. We also provide sync functionality between the different browsers, which is fully encrypted. And we are proud to be the only browser company to have our own Mastodon instance. We also provide blogs and forums as well as a way to share themes. We are very focused on bringing what our users want.
Our users are not asking us to be an OS company. They want us to support their OS.
Our users are not asking us to be a search company. There are other, good options out there.
Our users clearly do not want us to be an ad company.
And our users are clear that AI is not something they want us to integrate. If they want to use AI, they can use AI services out there. No need to integrate it.
So we focus on what people want and we are proud of it.
Jared Zimmerman ✨
Als Antwort auf Jon S. von Tetzchner • • •Jon S. von Tetzchner
Als Antwort auf Jared Zimmerman ✨ • • •@jaredzimmerman
We basically focus on what our users want. If we were public, there might be a focus on just doing what others are doing, to get funding. That is not where we are. We just focus on what people need and as you mentioned, it is a lot.
Mushi
Als Antwort auf Jon S. von Tetzchner • • •Jon S. von Tetzchner
Unbekannter Ursprungsbeitrag • • •It is.
Jon S. von Tetzchner
Unbekannter Ursprungsbeitrag • • •@philip_cardella
Ideally we would have liked to build our own core, but having done that before, we knew that would not be viable.
So we were left with basically two choices and the safest bet was Chromium. We feel this is a strong codebase and having had to deal with compatibility issues in the past, we feel this was the best choice we could make.
We do a lot of work to make this Chromium based release as strong as possible. We have features not found in any other browser and we have more settings and flexibility than any other browser. We do listen as well.
Thanks for your support.
Mike kf4bog
Als Antwort auf Jon S. von Tetzchner • • •Artem Sapegin
Als Antwort auf Jon S. von Tetzchner • • •Axel Rauschmayer
Als Antwort auf Jon S. von Tetzchner • • •Why Vivaldi will never create ThinkCoin | Vivaldi Browser
Jon von Tetzchner (Vivaldi Technologies)Paul Broadwith
Als Antwort auf Jon S. von Tetzchner • • •Jon S. von Tetzchner
Unbekannter Ursprungsbeitrag • • •We will evaluate moving forward.
Sven
Als Antwort auf Jon S. von Tetzchner • • •Jon S. von Tetzchner
Als Antwort auf Sven • • •We have created a Flatpak for Linux already. It is currently experimental, but it is there.
Sven
Als Antwort auf Jon S. von Tetzchner • • •