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Keir Starmer’s poll ratings leap after Trump withdraws support for Ukraine
Around 30% of voters say they prefer Labour for dealing with ‘allies against threats to the UK’ in boost to party leaderToby Helm (The Guardian)
katy ✨
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Als Antwort auf katy ✨ • • •Beardy Star Stuff
Als Antwort auf Sturmflut • • •@Sturmflut @pixiekat
I guess I'm thinking bigger, long term. It's great that all these alternatives exist but are they not based on Mozilla/Firefox code?
I suppose I'm wondering about some larger entity outside the US forking the current Mozilla/Firefox code base into something that is then developed as a new independent alternative to Mozilla/Firefox. And that it have some sort of secure long-term public funding. Maybe it's a mix of EU funding as well as direct donations from the public.
David Nelson
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Als Antwort auf David Nelson • • •@dmnelson @pixiekat Honestly speaking I have no idea what's the minimum number of people required to maintain a browser engine. Looking at the forks and projects like Servo it's definitely quite a few, but looking at how inefficient Mozilla has become and how many employees Opera has the number is probably also much lower than 500.
Let's say somewhere on the middle, 75 people. That would be around 10 million dollars a year. Out of reach for all but the most wealthy non-profits
ornes
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Als Antwort auf ornes • • •@ornes @Sturmflut @dmnelson @pixiekat
In 2010 Opera had 100 people working on Presto. Most of them had been at Opera for quite some time and had actually written the code they were working on and thus knew it quite well. My estimate was that to stay competitive, we would need to add, say, 10% to the team each year.
The Presto code was all written by us. We hardly used any libraries. Thus we had the added benefit of having control over all the relevant code and did not need to worry so much about problems in 3rd party code. We also did not use system libraries much at all and we wrote our own memory code, graphics code, etc., to deal with systems that had limitations.
I do not think it would be wise for us to invest in the Mozilla code. There is too much risk there and I am not sure we would be all that welcome.
We need to build a strong team on Chromium. As we grow, we can influence more and do more changes. We already change a lot of files. We have patched more than 2000 code files so far.
I believe we can make a significant difference, but I believe the best way to do that is what we are doing now. With more resources, we can do even more.
Thanks for your support!
Sturmflut
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Als Antwort auf Jon S. von Tetzchner • • •@jon @ornes @Sturmflut @dmnelson @pixiekat
From Wikipedia:
"However, in terms of governance, the Chromium projects are not independent entities; Google retains firm control of them."
I don't want to use a Google controlled browser any more than an Apple controlled browser. My original post was positing the question, could the Firefox code base (or some other) be forked off and put under the development of a non-profit EU?, globally funded consortium. Develop it as a public commons resource.
Jon S. von Tetzchner
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We have modified 2000 files... Chromium is an open source project. We make changes to it. We try to get our changes into Chromium. Sadly that is the hardest part, but we do maintain 2000 modified files.
Practically it can be hard to maintain a lot of diffs, so we try to avoid that as much as we can, but Vivaldi is still unique and not just when it comes to the UI.